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Are you a humanist or what?

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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#421 Postby elshazli » December 10th, 2012, 1:16 am

Latest post of the previous page:

For me, it's enough to say I'm an atheist or an anti-theist. Labeling my positive positions into one (Humanism) seems rather reductive. Maybe i will convert :)

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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#422 Postby lewist » December 10th, 2012, 8:30 am

Hi, Elshazli and welcome to TH! Do please introduce yourself in the Introductions thread.

Converting is not an issue; it's how you live that is important. However, I would never call myself an atheist. That would be a bit like going for a drive in my steering wheel. Yep, the steering wheel is a part, but it's the car I go driving in. Similarly, atheism is part of my philosophy, but the rest, and how I live are far more important.
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#423 Postby Dave B » December 10th, 2012, 10:01 am

Greetings as well, elshazli.

"Anti-theism", for me at least, does seem to have a bit of a problem when held up against my interpretation of Humanism. I find it difficult to reconcile The Golden Rule, said by some to be essential to the true humanist, with active "anti-theism" at least.
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#424 Postby Alan H » December 10th, 2012, 10:03 am

Hi elshazli and :welcome:

By anti-theist, do you mean secularist or a stronger opposition to religion?
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#425 Postby Carja » December 11th, 2012, 3:10 pm

I've never really understood the need to have a title for what you believe or don't believe. I simply don't believe in anything supernatural.

However, one thing I like about Humanism is a description of what Humanists believe in: compassion, ethics, science, and nature. That sums it up for me. I don't over think it.
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#426 Postby Dave B » December 11th, 2012, 3:17 pm

Carja wrote:I've never really understood the need to have a title for what you believe or don't believe. I simply don't believe in anything supernatural.

However, one thing I like about Humanism is a description of what Humanists believe in: compassion, ethics, science, and nature. That sums it up for me. I don't over think it.
Ah, Carja, we all know our own shade of "un/belief", labels are for other people to understand as well. That's if we want them to do so of course! :smile:
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#427 Postby draykorinee » September 21st, 2013, 7:42 pm

I struggle to label myself, I am an anti theist, I am also a humanist and a secularist, to choose one would be very difficult, unlike Carja I do label myself but also like Carja I do like the humanist stance of compassion, ethics and science, but struggle to balance that with the desire to mock and ridicule religious belief, it is why I can't pin down a label for myself. I will of course consider myself a secularist because it is absolutely the only way to a healthy society.
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#428 Postby Alan C. » September 21st, 2013, 7:50 pm

draykorinee
I am an anti theist, I am also a humanist and a secularist, to choose one would be very difficult,
I too would apply those three labels to myself, I don't see any problem with that, one can be all three as neither one negates either of the other two.
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#429 Postby draykorinee » September 21st, 2013, 8:07 pm

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I am an anti theist, I am also a humanist and a secularist, to choose one would be very difficult,
I too would apply those three labels to myself, I don't see any problem with that, one can be all three as neither one negates either of the other two.


Yes I agree, I battled before with being an anthi theist and whether that was counter to being a humanist, but further reading enabled me to realise that its not, I had misconstrued some ambiguity with the definition of humanism. I do however battle constantly with being an anti theist and the 'bigot' retort I get from the other side.
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#430 Postby Fia » September 21st, 2013, 9:18 pm

:welcome: draykorinee

I have found that it helps to separate the religious institutions from the 'faithful'.
As a secular Humanist I have no problem with religion bashing. Although we know they get awful upset if we demand they are out of the public sphere, we also know how excellent they are at brainwashing folk from a very early age, particularly in a strongly religious cultural environment. So I never battle with individuals who have either unquestioningly accepted or chosen their own path. But I reserve the right at every opportunity to prick the complacency and expose the shallow power of the institutions.

Having just written that I guess that's where the secular comes from in my Humanism :)

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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#431 Postby Alan C. » September 21st, 2013, 9:25 pm

^ I regard being anti-theist as an anathema to bigotry,
I hold all "religions" in the same contempt, so how can that be construed as bigotry?
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#432 Postby Dave B » September 21st, 2013, 10:37 pm

I think that I am a "selective anti-theist" :D

I am happy that others should follow whatever faith or belief suits their needs. But when they try to impose that on others, in any way - including shouting their heads off at street corners - then I begin to lose my normal tolerance with them! I certainly think that religious organisations should be treated no differently from any other charity.
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#433 Postby Nick » September 22nd, 2013, 8:18 pm

I tend to chance my arm, and when told someone is a believer, just exclaim "Seriously!?"

A bit naughty, maybe , but if it makes them feel a bit of a twit, then so much the better. :twisted:

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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#434 Postby Dave B » September 22nd, 2013, 8:43 pm

Nick wrote:I tend to chance my arm, and when told someone is a believer, just exclaim "Seriously!?"

A bit naughty, maybe , but if it makes them feel a bit of a twit, then so much the better. :twisted:
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#435 Postby animist » September 22nd, 2013, 8:43 pm

Dave B wrote:I certainly think that religious organisations should be treated no differently from any other charity.

Dave, religions as such are not charities, surely, but ideologies

Lots of terms are being bandied around here, as ever. I don't like the term "humanist" as I don't really know, despite all the words, what it means. "Secularist" and "atheist" are good terms, but different, since one can be a theistic secularist. "Anti-theist" - this could mean antagonism towards God, which I feel a lot of the time, whereas I am not necessarily against religious belief, if it makes people feel better

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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#436 Postby draykorinee » September 22nd, 2013, 8:47 pm

The day religion loses its charity status will surely be a great day for secularism.
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#437 Postby Dave B » September 22nd, 2013, 8:59 pm

animist wrote:
Dave B wrote:I certainly think that religious organisations should be treated no differently from any other charity.

Dave, religions as such are not charities, surely, but ideologies

Lots of terms are being bandied around here, as ever. I don't like the term "humanist" as I don't really know, despite all the words, what it means. "Secularist" and "atheist" are good terms, but different, since one can be a theistic secularist. "Anti-theist" - this could mean antagonism towards God, which I feel a lot of the time, whereas I am not necessarily against religious belief, if it makes people feel better
Not charities in fact I agree but they share a lot in common and should be treated as such.
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#438 Postby Dave B » September 22nd, 2013, 9:02 pm

draykorinee wrote:The day religion loses its charity status will surely be a great day for secularism.
Unless I have it wrong, Alex, the churches have tax advantages not shared by charities and can ignore some of the employment discrimination laws.
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#439 Postby draykorinee » September 22nd, 2013, 9:06 pm

Dave B wrote:Not charities in fact I agree but they share a lot in common and should be treated as such.


The fact they exist on the the backs of childhood indoctrination and scaremongering for compliance just makes me question whether this is true, I don't view religions as sharing a whole lot with charities, there are charities whos foundations are in the churches/mosques, the red cross/crescent etc, but these can exist outside of religion, it is not the religion that makes them charitable.

And yes Churches are the only institutions than can be openly discriminatory that receives charitable benefits, just as their schools are the only state funded schools that can be openly discriminatory.
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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#440 Postby Nick » September 23rd, 2013, 3:13 pm

draykorinee wrote: ....there are charities whos foundations are in the churches/mosques, the red cross/crescent etc, but these can exist outside of religion, it is not the religion that makes them charitable.

Just a small point: I think the Red Cross's red cross was based on (an invertion of) the Swiss Flag, not on a notion of Christian charity, as such. Of course, that did not fail to upset the Muslims, who thought otherwise, hence the Red Crescent.

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Re: Are you a humanist or what?

#441 Postby draykorinee » September 23rd, 2013, 3:33 pm

Nick wrote:
draykorinee wrote: ....there are charities whos foundations are in the churches/mosques, the red cross/crescent etc, but these can exist outside of religion, it is not the religion that makes them charitable.

Just a small point: I think the Red Cross's red cross was based on (an invertion of) the Swiss Flag, not on a notion of Christian charity, as such. Of course, that did not fail to upset the Muslims, who thought otherwise, hence the Red Crescent.


Well thanks for that, i had a good read on the red cross and yes you're right, formed in Switzerland hence the cross, good to know.
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