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Do you ever go to church?

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On what occasions are you prepared to set foot in a church? (Apart from as a tourist!)

Wouldn't set foot in one
16
10%
Would attend only for a ceremony (specify below)
70
43%
Would attend for a ceremony, memorial service or a carol service.
49
30%
Would attend a normal service.
29
18%
 
Total votes: 164

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jamesjones950
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#281 Postby jamesjones950 » October 6th, 2010, 7:10 pm

Latest post of the previous page:

tea_ismynewjesus wrote:Not sure what to answer for this one... I go to a church every other week, but for a Christian youth club kinda thing. I went there lots in my godly days and I recently started going again because there was no other way for me to see my fundie friends, who I've missed dearly.

I only go every other week so that I can stay at home and watch The Atheist Experience :thumbsup:


I sort of understand why you go....I think.
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#282 Postby Gottard » October 7th, 2010, 2:55 pm

jamesjones950 wrote:I sort of understand why you go....I think.
No, I don't, I'm being dishonest. I would find new friends and let the old ones miss you dearly.

I would not judge Tea_is..etc. so harshly; he might live in a small provincial village and have no alternatives. Protestant Christians have a high sense of familial aggregation as, often, the adept is the only one -among his/her original relatives - to have abandoned the "clan faith", this is why he/she is welcomed within the "new family". This is a feeling that we humanist miss ...while imo is so important.
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#283 Postby naturaljazz89 » October 23rd, 2010, 11:19 pm

I go to church with my daughters scout group once a month. I am one of only two parents who stay. The service is very child orientated, and usually has a moral basis. The church is presbyterian so not over the top. My daughter is 14 and an aetheist. She likes the fairtrade stuff the minister does and she will read out stuff if he asks her to. He knows we are non believers, but we are striving to live with as little impact on the earth as possible. In that
sense we have things in common.

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#284 Postby getreal » October 23rd, 2010, 11:28 pm

I thought Scouts were non religious? I'm surprised the group attend church regularly.
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#285 Postby Alan H » October 23rd, 2010, 11:42 pm

getreal wrote:I thought Scouts were non religious? I'm surprised the group attend church regularly.
We've had this discussion before, haven't we? Scouts still have to make a promise to god - any god will do. Although they once definitively excluded atheists, I think we discovered they weren't that fussy now? Anyone remember?
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#286 Postby jaywhat » October 24th, 2010, 6:33 am

'non religiious alternatives' in the Education forum.

...and I think scout groups exclude atheist leaders .

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#287 Postby Compassionist » October 24th, 2010, 6:54 am

jaywhat wrote:'non religiious alternatives' in the Education forum.

...and I think scout groups exclude atheist leaders .

Yes, Scouts exclude atheists and in many countries, homosexuals and bisexuals and transgenders and transexuals.

By the way, I have attended services in 7 different churches in Belfast so far. I have also attended a Nicherin Buddhism housegroup meeting and two meetings of Tibetan Buddhism. Should I keep attending church to please my wife even though I am an ex-Muslim ex-Christian Strong Agnostic Strong Atheist (i.e. I believe that given the existence of suffering and God's alleged existence and omniscience and omnipotence and consequent omniculpability - God is either evil or imaginary) Compassionist Humanist and a Life Member of the Humanist Society of Scotland? What do YOU advise?

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#288 Postby Gottard » October 24th, 2010, 4:38 pm

As I said in the previous scout thread, we have Catholic and lay scout groups in Italy, difference being that the lay group allows atheists to park outside the church during services; if a lay boy/girl decides to attend a service then - if agreeable - she/he can join the Catholic group. I am not joking!
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#289 Postby loz2286 » October 28th, 2010, 12:02 pm

animist wrote:seems a very odd setup, and you haven't quite answered all I asked. I mean, how many of the songs are hymns? As you say, someone of another faith would and could not be asked to sing Xian hyms, but do you think such a peson would have been appointed anyway? It is very easy for me to say this as an outsider, but I feel that the school should get itself straight - either pastoral care and so on is genuinely non-religious or it's not, and if it is, the kids should not be singing the songs of one faith rather than another


The songs in assemblies are all hymns, or at least children's songs about God and faith. I'll happily sing other songs, though some children prefer I don't as I'm tone deaf. Yes, it is an odd set up, not helped by the fact that some staff are a bit rabid Xian and those who are non-believers (or more relaxed about things) prefer to go with the flow and say nothing.

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#290 Postby Project Atlas » March 9th, 2011, 3:27 pm

I could never stand going as long as I can remember. I was so bored. Now I don't go at all. Not even to make anyone else happy.
But of course I would attend for a funeral or sombody's wedding, only because I want to be there for my family or friends at those critical times.

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#291 Postby Dave B » March 9th, 2011, 3:53 pm

Definitely only for ceremonies that I cannot avoid without giving insult - so long as going into Gloucs cathedral when it is the venue of an art exhibition or for a history talk/craft demo does not count!
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#292 Postby thundril » March 9th, 2011, 4:19 pm

I do sometimes try to go into Cathedrals if I am in an historic place, like Rheims for example. And I am astonished and moved by the feats of engineering that were possible in an age when almost everyone else was entirely illiterate and very few could handle even simple money calculations. And I am moved also by the beauty and the awe-inspiring spaces and light-play. And then I get that old sense of what it was like for me, as a 12 year old boy, in a seminary. And I have to leave, fast.

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#293 Postby purple mind » March 15th, 2011, 2:10 am

i just go to ceremonies, basically weddings and funerals !or for a sight seeing as a tourist...

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#294 Postby Cain Cocteau » July 1st, 2011, 12:58 pm

I have to admit out loud that I do not attend funerals. This seems to get under the skin of the people in my life that feel like these are things that you MUST do. I disagree with how most people handle the dead. I don't like how they make me feel, the energy is icky. I haven't been invited to a wedding , I would probably not go. I think a church is just a gaudy building , often intriguing in design....but the one time I went to a catholic church for world AIDS day ( I was speaking ) I thought the holy water thingy was a bird bath.. so I find im more ackward in the setting than comfortable. I am lucky , I never was forced to go to any worship ceremonies. So I would say no to the question.
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#295 Postby Sel » July 1st, 2011, 1:41 pm

Heh, I was in a church lately ...The Rocky Mountain Cavalry Tabernacle. Some of our CFI member attended a lecture by 2 "geologists" on the inaccuracy of Old Earth Sciences and the inerrant Truth of Genesis. After 2 hours of this crap my head hurt and I wanted to scream at the top of my lungs!!!!!

Nate Phelps (you have heard of his Dad, the Rev Fred Phelps - crazy as a loon) was with us and had the poor pastor cornered for two hours afterwards. Nate is used to this type and, with his extensive knowledge of the Bible, can call them on anything and everything they say.

For me, the most disturbing part of the evening was hearing the pastor tell his congregation to be sure their children understand their teachers are lying to them all the time.
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#296 Postby Alan C. » July 1st, 2011, 6:20 pm

I have to admit out loud that I do not attend funerals.
Me neither Cain Cocteau, I would like to but can't stand listening to the sanctimonious preachers.
The last one I attended (for a very good friend) was in the community hall and I thought it might not be "religious"
Wrong! It was excruciating; not just for me but for most of the folk there.

Sel, you can read Nate Phelps coming out speech here Well worth a read.
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#297 Postby Alan H » July 1st, 2011, 7:27 pm

Sel wrote:Heh, I was in a church lately ...The Rocky Mountain Cavalry Tabernacle. Some of our CFI member attended a lecture by 2 "geologists" on the inaccuracy of Old Earth Sciences and the inerrant Truth of Genesis. After 2 hours of this crap my head hurt and I wanted to scream at the top of my lungs!!!!!

Nate Phelps (you have heard of his Dad, the Rev Fred Phelps - crazy as a loon) was with us and had the poor pastor cornered for two hours afterwards. Nate is used to this type and, with his extensive knowledge of the Bible, can call them on anything and everything they say.

For me, the most disturbing part of the evening was hearing the pastor tell his congregation to be sure their children understand their teachers are lying to them all the time.
Wow! It'd be worth sitting through the crap just to hear Nate pulling the guy apart

Nate Phelps was interviewed on the excellent Pod Delusion podcast last year.
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3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#298 Postby Sel » July 2nd, 2011, 4:41 pm

Nate Phelps was interviewed on the excellent Pod Delusion podcast last year.



Sel, you can read Nate Phelps coming out speech here Well worth a read


Nate is director of CFI in our area.

I have had the privilege of having long conversations with Nate. His story is incredible as is he. The man is a gentle giant and a great listener. It was 2AM when he left my Humanist party the other night. He loves intelligent conversation and is eager to delve into the thought processes of other folks.

I have incredible respect for Nate and am proud to call him friend.
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#299 Postby Laurence » July 23rd, 2011, 11:16 pm

Very touching and inspiring reading about Nate, and also reading him, here. Thank you.

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#300 Postby Tetenterre » September 1st, 2011, 8:41 am

Re expansion requested in poll:

Some of my friends are religious, so I will attend church ceremonies for their hatches, matches, and dispatches.
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#301 Postby Stempy » September 3rd, 2011, 12:45 pm

As "token Christian" ( :wink: ) obviously I voted for "would go to a normal service" - but the "normality" of the service definitely depends on which church and which particular service you're talking about!
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