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Alan H
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Alex Salmond and atheists

#1 Postby Alan H » September 3rd, 2015, 5:40 pm

Alex Salmond MP: ‘I prefer people of faith to people of no faith’
The former First Minister of Scotland, Alex Salmond MP, has stated in the Scottish Parliament that he prefers ‘people of faith to people of no faith or people who have lost their faith’. He also wrongly implied that religious people have a special claim to doing good works in their community over non-religious people.

The British Humanist Association (BHA) has condemned these remarks as being deeply inappropriate for any senior politician.

In his statement, Mr Salmond said:

‘I am biased of course because I am a Church of Scotland adherent and I prefer people of faith to people of no faith or people who have lost their faith.

‘All denominations have a key role to play in society and we are very fortunate in Scotland because we have a tremendous ability, among religions and denominations, to come together and support good causes.’


Mr Salmond’s comments echo those of other UK politicians, such as David Cameron, Baroness Warsi, or Eric Pickles MP, who have all at one time or another made special claims for the superiority of religious groups over non-religious people. In 2014, David Cameron signalled his intent to infuse British politics with an ‘evangelical’ spirit about promoting Christianity, while prior to the election, Communities Secretary Pickles announced a scheme to pump Government money into helping places of worship grow while excluding secular community organisations from receiving equivalent funds.

Responding to Mr Salmond’s statement, BHA Chief Executive Andrew Copson said:

‘It is always sad to see senior politicians denigrating those of us with non-religious worldviews. Despite the fact that non-religious people in Scotland make up a larger group than either Catholics or Protestants, not to mention half the population of the UK as a whole, Mr Salmond feels he is justified in expressing open disdain for people who are atheist or agnostic.

‘His remarks will hit particularly hard at people who have struggled to find acceptance from family and friends after becoming open about having no religion. Ex-Muslims in Scotland and across the UK, for example, face a particularly challenging time when they come out as non-religious.’
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Re: Alex Salmond and atheists

#2 Postby Altfish » September 3rd, 2015, 8:20 pm

They don't seem to realise the alienation such statements cause.

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Re: Alex Salmond and atheists

#3 Postby Dave B » September 3rd, 2015, 8:35 pm

Altfish wrote:They don't seem to realise the alienation such statements cause.
Since when were politicians in the business of reconciliation (as an action rather than rhetoric).?
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Re: Alex Salmond and atheists

#4 Postby lewist » September 3rd, 2015, 9:24 pm

Alex Salmond is someone for whom I have a lot of respect. That respect's a bit dented now. I feel rather let down.
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Re: Alex Salmond and atheists

#5 Postby Alan H » September 4th, 2015, 12:49 am

Alan Henness

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1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Alex Salmond and atheists

#6 Postby Alan C. » September 6th, 2015, 9:40 pm

Wouldn't any UK 'Politician' Say the same if pressed? They (politicians) Think (wrongly) That the UK population gives a fuck about 'religion' Look at this sanctimonious offering today from "the most reverend" Welby guy.
Welby urges MPs: reject right-to-die bill that ‘crosses the Rubicon
They wonder why they are going down the plughole?

The "most reverend" Welby should maybe suffer a bit of what my brother and youngest sister suffered in the months prior to their release from pain, then I might listen to him, but probably not, he's an arse.

When the doctors and nursing staff can't cope with a patients suffering any longer and give the fatal dose of morphine, as was the case with my father in law and his cousin, is that assisted suicide? Were do you draw the line? Not that I think there should be a line.
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Re: Alex Salmond and atheists

#7 Postby animist » September 6th, 2015, 10:55 pm

Alan C. wrote:Wouldn't any UK 'Politician' Say the same if pressed? They (politicians) Think (wrongly) That the UK population gives a fuck about 'religion' Look at this sanctimonious offering today from "the most reverend" Welby guy.
Welby urges MPs: reject right-to-die bill that ‘crosses the Rubicon
They wonder why they are going down the plughole?

The "most reverend" Welby should maybe suffer a bit of what my brother and youngest sister suffered in the months prior to their release from pain, then I might listen to him, but probably not, he's an arse.

When the doctors and nursing staff can't cope with a patients suffering any longer and give the fatal dose of morphine, as was the case with my father in law and his cousin, is that assisted suicide? Were do you draw the line? Not that I think there should be a line.

I am not that bothered that Alex Salmond likes faith people more than others (maybe he counts humanists as among the faithful - who knows) but now that Alan has mentioned Welby and the right to die, this is a very disappointing, reactionary and obnoxious viewpoint from a prelate who seemed fairly enlightened

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Re: Alex Salmond and atheists

#8 Postby stevenw888 » February 28th, 2018, 7:26 pm

Scottish politicians are again asserting their religious affiliations. I've never liked Nicola Sturgeon and this article hasn't improved things.
https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2 ... -divisions

Is she just searching for the block vote? What other possible motive could she have for praising Catholic schools?
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Re: Alex Salmond and atheists

#9 Postby Alan H » February 28th, 2018, 7:55 pm

stevenw888 wrote:Scottish politicians are again asserting their religious affiliations. I've never liked Nicola Sturgeon and this article hasn't improved things.
https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2 ... -divisions

Is she just searching for the block vote? What other possible motive could she have for praising Catholic schools?
You could be right - religion is gaining all sorts of privileges down here in terms of schools, so a canny, but unprincipled politician might want to curry favour with religionists.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Alex Salmond and atheists

#10 Postby VINDICATOR » March 10th, 2018, 1:10 pm

When Alex Salmond says that he "prefers people of faith to people of no faith" he is farting into the wind! What do you mean by "Faith"? Is Boko Haram, ISIS, Taliban etc. a "Faith"? If not, then you are a bigot. If so, then go join them!

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Re: Alex Salmond and atheists

#11 Postby Zeff » March 14th, 2018, 9:22 am

I think the distinction should be made between faith based on reason and evidence, such as a bridge will support its traffic and religious faith. I think it is simply wrong to have religious faith. That is essentially either following instincts or outright superstition.

Beliefs should only be held to the extent they are supported by reason and evidence. Unfortunately, people see "having faith" as positive, not negative.

Sometimes it feels like the "Scottish Enlightenment" never happened.

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Re: Alex Salmond and atheists

#12 Postby animist » March 17th, 2018, 1:23 pm

Zeff wrote:I think the distinction should be made between faith based on reason and evidence, such as a bridge will support its traffic and religious faith. I think it is simply wrong to have religious faith. That is essentially either following instincts or outright superstition.

Beliefs should only be held to the extent they are supported by reason and evidence. Unfortunately, people see "having faith" as positive, not negative.

Sometimes it feels like the "Scottish Enlightenment" never happened.
in the case of a bridge, does "faith" really add much to reason and evidence? To say "I have faith in this bridge" might in fact suggest a bit of unease about its safety. And of course, bridges, like all human endeavours, are only designed to work within certain assumptions. The Twin Towers, unless you believe in some conspiracy theory, were worthy of "faith" in their soundness, but they did not survive an event which the designers could never have imagined would take place


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