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...otherwise people will return to religions...

#1 Postby coffee » May 18th, 2017, 10:39 am

Someone on facebook was saying this

"Atheism and Humanism needs to replace the sense of community that religions offer otherwise people will return to religions not because they believe but they are isolated and lonely"

I think it hit the nail on the head/bang on/spot on.


What do you think?

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Re: ...otherwise people will return to religions...

#2 Postby Alan H » May 18th, 2017, 11:25 am

coffee wrote:Someone on facebook was saying this

"Atheism and Humanism needs to replace the sense of community that religions offer otherwise people will return to religions not because they believe but they are isolated and lonely"

I think it hit the nail on the head/bang on/spot on.


What do you think?
Too many non-sequiturs.

Why should it be up to 'atheism' and humanism' (whatever that means) to provide anything? If by that is meant atheist and humanist organisations or 'communities', then they are far from being the only possible sources of a 'sense of community'.

It's certainly true that some religions do seem to provide a sense of community to some, but the implication is that as people lose their religion and religious communities dwindle, people become 'isolated and lonely'. That does not necessarily follow.

It also does not follow that people who do feel isolated and lonely after leaving a religion will return to it because they are isolated and lonely despite their lack of belief. Also, there may be harms involved in returning to a religion you have previously rejected.

I'd need to see more evidence for all of that.
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Re: ...otherwise people will return to religions...

#3 Postby coffee » May 18th, 2017, 2:14 pm

Then why are there some atheists going to churches?
And

Why are there some atheists send there their children to faith schools ?

Can you explain?

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Re: ...otherwise people will return to religions...

#4 Postby Alan H » May 18th, 2017, 2:52 pm

coffee wrote:Then why are there some atheists going to churches?
You'd need to ask them, but sometimes it's to get their child into a local religious school.
Why are there some atheists send there their children to faith schools ?
There are many reasons: because those schools might be closer and because some are better, for example. Neither of these points, however, relate to your OP.
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Re: ...otherwise people will return to religions...

#5 Postby coffee » May 18th, 2017, 3:02 pm

Should you not be wondering why are they not setting humanist/secular school?

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Re: ...otherwise people will return to religions...

#6 Postby Alan H » May 18th, 2017, 3:27 pm

coffee wrote:Should you not be wondering why are they not setting humanist/secular school?

No.
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Re: ...otherwise people will return to religions...

#7 Postby coffee » May 18th, 2017, 4:12 pm

May be I can answer that.

Perhaps the bha has not got enough of the right values that these atheists want. Does this help?

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Re: ...otherwise people will return to religions...

#8 Postby Dave B » May 18th, 2017, 4:21 pm

Perhaps one can say that religion encourages the herd instinct? Is that why JC is sometkmes imaged as a shepherd and a congregation is a "flock".

Perhaps "athiests and humanists" are a new variety of homo?

But, I have to admit that having a bunch of like minds nearby would be a nice thing.
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Re: ...otherwise people will return to religions...

#9 Postby Alan H » May 18th, 2017, 4:49 pm

coffee wrote:May be I can answer that.

Perhaps the bha has not got enough of the right values that these atheists want. Does this help?
No. I think this has been pointed out before but the key humanist value here is that children should be encouraged to think for themselves and not be indoctrinated by anyone, religious or atheist.
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Re: ...otherwise people will return to religions...

#10 Postby Dave B » May 18th, 2017, 6:01 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:May be I can answer that.

Perhaps the bha has not got enough of the right values that these atheists want. Does this help?
No. I think this has been pointed out before but the key humanist value here is that children should be encouraged to think for themselves and not be indoctrinated by anyone, religious or atheist.

Or maybe to compare a range of views, opinions and known facts so as to come to an informed conclusion, rather than slavishly follow one story that has no basis in reality or accept what people say without question.
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Re: ...otherwise people will return to religions...

#11 Postby coffee » May 18th, 2017, 6:51 pm

Your views are more interesting Dave, thanks


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