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Is Earth overpopulated with humans?

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Compassionist
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Is Earth overpopulated with humans?

#1 Postby Compassionist » December 31st, 2017, 8:15 pm

Source: http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... t-or-myth/

The article states that parts of the Earth are overpopulated with humans but not the whole Earth. If people were distributed fairly then the Earth could support even more humans.

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Re: Is Earth overpopulated with humans?

#2 Postby VINDICATOR » January 1st, 2018, 1:03 pm

Dear Compassionist,
What is the meaning of "over populated"? If people are willing to live like chickens on a chicken farm, all the chickens in cages stacked up in walls to the ceiling, and fed by automatic feeding machines that ensure the necessary nutrition and with forced ventilation and automatic manure disposal etc. I guess that the Earth could could easily support as many as 50 billion people. Although it won't be too much trouble to house and feed so many, however, due to depletion of natural resources and pollution of the environment, the seas will become huge cess-pools, and the land which has not yet been submerged by the melt of the polar ices will be huge garbage land-fills! Tourism will be a memory seen only on closed TV! They must spend their whole life existing (not "living") in these cages! Don't take those science-fiction stories seriously when they say we can emigrate to another star. Except for a few explorers going to the moon and perhaps Mars, as a race we are stuck on this planet Earth!

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Re: Is Earth overpopulated with humans?

#3 Postby Nick » January 2nd, 2018, 1:00 am

Hi Compo, nice to see you back! :D

If its any comfort to you, I think this debate has been answered. With the continuing growth in prosperity (esp. since 1995, with the death of socialism) the rate of population growth has declined dramaticlly so that, globally, we are no longer replacing ourselves.

As we become richer, we are able to address more of the earth's problems, be it pollution, famine, respect for our sisters and much else besides.

Sure, problems will continue, but the Malthusian trap has proved to be a myth.

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Re: Is Earth overpopulated with humans?

#4 Postby Compassionist » January 5th, 2018, 12:10 pm

Thank you for your replies Vindicator and Nick. Nice to see you, too, Nick. By overpopulation I mean more people than the number of people who can live comfortably on Earth. Population distribution is very uneven currently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_density

Nick I agree that going to other stars will be difficult without a faster than light transport system. I also agree that standard of life has improved a lot. The rich have gotten much richer, the poor have gotten a bit richer.

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Re: Is Earth overpopulated with humans?

#5 Postby Nick » January 5th, 2018, 2:24 pm

Without measures which I regard as impossible to justify, I don't think we can reduce the world population any time soon. As for the distribution of people, yes, there are certain things we can do, not least make it more attractive to live in the more sparsely populated areas of the world. We achieved that over the past few centuries, and I think new ideas and initiatives may well develop in future which indirectly address these issues.

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Re: Is Earth overpopulated with humans?

#6 Postby animist » January 7th, 2018, 12:32 pm

Nick wrote:Hi Compo, nice to see you back! :D

If its any comfort to you, I think this debate has been answered. With the continuing growth in prosperity (esp. since 1995, with the death of socialism) the rate of population growth has declined dramaticlly so that, globally, we are no longer replacing ourselves.

As we become richer, we are able to address more of the earth's problems, be it pollution, famine, respect for our sisters and much else besides.

Sure, problems will continue, but the Malthusian trap has proved to be a myth.
I agree with a lot of this (maybe not the dig at socialism, though the types of "socialism" which have found power so far have not been good, I agree). What a good phrase, "respect for our sisters". Only thing is, not only is population unevenly distributed (and always will be, as the Poles are not going to be good places to live - unless global warming goes unchecked!) but income and wealth are, and I do see a role for sensible socialistic measures in certain situations. The poor will not get richer simply by allowing the rich to get richer still. But female empowerment seems to be the main key to the problem, and religious dogma/prejudice still seems to be a big impediment to this vital and just process


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