animist wrote: Nick wrote:
Thre we have it, in a nutshell: the EU is just an anti-free-trade, protectionist racket. Fine, if you are inside, but sod the developing world. Shame shame shame! Grrrr!!
there we have it in a nutshell, Nick.
I'll see your nutshell and raise you one.
You ignored the words "for the UK economy"
No I didn't. That could mean all sorts of things. Short or long term, ceteris paribus or otherwise, for the benefit of the few or the many, (to coin a phrase,) free trade or protectionism, and so forth. And to just take into account the short-term UK economy is myopic and xenophobic
(You remoaners love an insult!
and launch into your normal critique of the EU.
Has the EU changed, then? No? Then it will be my normal critique.
Do you seriously think that Britain indeed would be better off outside the Single Market
Depends on what you mean by "better" and what you think will happen to the Single Market. Just ask the youth of Greece, or Spain, or Italy....
even if some cheaper fruit was one result?
Only one example. And why are the French hell-bent on imposing tariffs on their imports from the UK?
And if your concern is for the producers of such fruit, then a hard-pressed and isolated Britain, with falling exports
..except that exports have risen since the Brexit vote, haven't they? And if they become hard-pressed, it is because the xenophobic, protectionist EU is deliberately, vindictively applying the pressure. Even if it hurts their own citizens.
and the crap politicians and media we have,
.... like Corbyn and the twittersphere... ;)
is going to be looking for every saving we can make in our import bill, eg by levying our own tariffs -
Mc Donnell is preparing for a seige economy, bu that is only because of the stupidity of his policies; there is no plan to impose tariffs to curb imports or raise revenue. Nor have any remoaners made that claim (until now!)
and we so are not going to be thinking about these poor countries that Moggie purports to care about.
The best way we can help them is by trade. And by doing so, we help ourselves. It increases the cake, rather than pinch slices from them. If the government were to advocate such a thing, there would be outcry from the lefties, and accusations of racism. Well....?
He is a dangerous and, in a perverse way demogagic, hypocrite
Like anyone else, he is quite capable of being wrong. He's a practicing Catholic, for a start
But he's not even in the cabinet. I think there are rather more dangerous threats to the economy than Moggie!
Moving on from the rather tiresome cut-and-paste, a new perspective, a theoretical question: if it were shown that Britain would be better off if we became the 51st State in the Union, would you support it? What reasons would you give to support your argument? (Note to candidate: the questioner is NOT asking whether Britain would be better off!)