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2016 US election

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Ken H
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Re: 2016 US election

#161 Postby Ken H » November 7th, 2016, 1:24 am

Latest post of the previous page:

Glad to hear Comey has "discovered" they have nothing to indict Hillary on. I doubt he will keep his job should Clinton win. Nasty business.
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Re: 2016 US election

#162 Postby Nick » November 7th, 2016, 8:22 am

Ken H wrote: Don't know if I could survive the the climate in Canada or the pubs in England...


Is that because the pubs are so bad? Or so good........? :D

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Re: 2016 US election

#163 Postby animist » November 7th, 2016, 9:53 am

Ken H wrote:So, I'll either be staying put or moving to Canada or the UK, depending on the outcome. Don't know if I could survive the the climate in Canada or the pubs in England...

how about illegally emigrating to Mexico? Nice and warm

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Re: 2016 US election

#164 Postby Ken H » November 7th, 2016, 1:51 pm

@Nick: The beer is good! :smile:

@animist: Nice idea, but their cerveza is not as good. :sad:
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Re: 2016 US election

#165 Postby animist » November 9th, 2016, 9:40 am

Ken H wrote:@Nick: The beer is good! :smile:

@animist: Nice idea, but their cerveza is not as good. :sad:
whatever you call it, Ken, I figure you will be needing a few today! :sick: But Sam Harris thinks that Trump is an atheist, so the news can't be all bad :wink:

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Re: 2016 US election

#166 Postby Alan H » November 9th, 2016, 12:25 pm

What the fuck just happened?
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Re: 2016 US election

#167 Postby Ken H » November 9th, 2016, 3:01 pm

Alan H wrote:What the fuck just happened?


"The election was rigged" ?
The Russians hacked the system?
God?
Aliens?
Dumb voters?
The electoral system? (Hillary got more votes.)
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Re: 2016 US election

#168 Postby animist » November 9th, 2016, 3:29 pm

Ken H wrote:(Hillary got more votes.)
but there still states to declare, aren't there?
Ken H wrote:Dumb voters?
True, probably emboldened by the victory of dumb voters over here

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Re: 2016 US election

#169 Postby jaywhat » November 9th, 2016, 4:09 pm

jaywhat wrote:Another View

trump = break wind


Now all of the USA is farting on the rest of the world !

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Re: 2016 US election

#170 Postby Ken H » November 10th, 2016, 2:09 pm

animist wrote:
Ken H wrote:@Nick: The beer is good! :smile:

@animist: Nice idea, but their cerveza is not as good. :sad:
whatever you call it, Ken, I figure you will be needing a few today! :sick: But Sam Harris thinks that Trump is an atheist, so the news can't be all bad :wink:


He may be right. Trump has changed his church affiliation a few times over the years. However, he won the evangelical voters by making them think he was religious and saying he opposed abortion. He has also promised to "put more people in church."!

I have never seen riots like this after an election: http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/ba ... nwide.html
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Re: 2016 US election

#171 Postby Nick » November 10th, 2016, 2:40 pm

I am somewhat surprised that the participation rate in the US Presidential election was so low, (IIRC) at 53%. Should I be?

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Re: 2016 US election

#172 Postby Ken H » November 10th, 2016, 6:58 pm

Nick wrote:I am somewhat surprised that the participation rate in the US Presidential election was so low, (IIRC) at 53%. Should I be?


It has been running as high as 64% in recent years. I think voters were disgusted with both candidates this year. Despite early voting and mail-in ballots, many people just don't bother with voting or learning about politics, especially lower income earners and young people. They would rather spend their time on social media. Republicans have been trying to make registering and voting harder with various laws.
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Re: 2016 US election

#173 Postby Nick » November 10th, 2016, 8:56 pm

Thanks, Ken, that is much as I thought. Do you think the Republicans have succeeded in restricting voters in any significant numbers?

I hear what you say about disgust on both sides, but on this side of the Pond, most are incredulous that The Donald has got anywhere near the White House. I don't think I'm alone in fondly imagining that that would encourage more voters to make the effort. I was wrong!

I am also wondering if the low turn-out reflects the fact that nominations to the electoral college (if I've got my terms right) are based on states backing their chosen candidate with all their votes, not a proportion according to votes cast. Unless you are in a swing state that must rather reduce the incentive to vote.... Hmmm.... I wonder if that is borne out in the stats...?

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Re: 2016 US election

#174 Postby Ken H » November 11th, 2016, 12:22 am

Nick wrote:Thanks, Ken, that is much as I thought. Do you think the Republicans have succeeded in restricting voters in any significant numbers?

I believe they have stopped a few from registering or voting, although the government has overturned the most blatant attempts.

Nick wrote:I hear what you say about disgust on both sides, but on this side of the Pond, most are incredulous that The Donald has got anywhere near the White House. I don't think I'm alone in fondly imagining that that would encourage more voters to make the effort. I was wrong!

I think that Trump voters were more enthusiastic than Hillary's, and they came out in greater force. Yeehaw!

Nick wrote:I am also wondering if the low turn-out reflects the fact that nominations to the electoral college (if I've got my terms right) are based on states backing their chosen candidate with all their votes, not a proportion according to votes cast. Unless you are in a swing state that must rather reduce the incentive to vote.... Hmmm.... I wonder if that is borne out in the stats...?

I don't think it makes much difference to the average voter. I do think the electoral college system has long since passed its usefulness and should be abandoned.

It's hard to comprehend the whole Trump thing. Perhaps mass hysteria is the only thing that comes close!
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Re: 2016 US election

#175 Postby animist » November 11th, 2016, 11:20 am

Ken H wrote: I do think the electoral college system has long since passed its usefulness and should be abandoned.

I see, from reading the WIki article on Hillary, that in 2000 she campaigned for abolition of the College in favour of direct election of the President - how she must be regretting that nothing came of this! As the US (unlike Britain) has quite separate elections for the executive and legislative branches of government, it surely should be feasible to change to a much simpler system - which would be akin to a referendum but with more than two choices

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Re: 2016 US election

#176 Postby Alan H » November 14th, 2016, 12:25 am

Dear Trump

The unimaginable has happened. President Trump. Add your voice to the open letter below to make it a manifesto for the next 4 years — then spread it far and wide:

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Dear Mr. Trump,

This is not what greatness looks like.

The world rejects your fear, hate-mongering, and bigotry. We reject your support for torture, your calls for murdering civilians, and your general encouragement of violence. We reject your denigration of women, Muslims, Mexicans, and millions of others who don’t look like you, talk like you, or pray to the same god as you.

Facing your fear we choose compassion. Hearing your despair we choose hope. Seeing your ignorance we choose understanding.

As citizens of the world, we stand united against your brand of division.

Sincerely,
[Add your name!]


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Re: 2016 US election

#177 Postby Alan H » November 14th, 2016, 9:50 pm

From a local paper. These people he wants to deport are undocumented immigrants. Just think about that for a few seconds - longer than that idiot will have done.

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: 2016 US election

#178 Postby Alan H » November 15th, 2016, 4:34 pm

You need to be in the US or have US VPN access, but well worth watching:



A short extract is here: John Oliver on Trump: 'A Klan-backed misogynist internet troll' is presiden
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
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Re: 2016 US election

#179 Postby Alan H » November 15th, 2016, 5:58 pm

Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: 2016 US election

#180 Postby Alan H » November 15th, 2016, 6:25 pm

Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: 2016 US election

#181 Postby Alan H » November 18th, 2016, 10:35 am

Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?


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