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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#841 Postby Alan H » December 7th, 2017, 7:47 pm

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Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:What about your paradox, Pahu? When are you going to get round to answering that?


What paradox?
:hilarity: Your bible one. The one you created. Such a short memory, Pahu?
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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#842 Postby Pahu » December 7th, 2017, 8:11 pm

Alan H wrote:
Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:What about your paradox, Pahu? When are you going to get round to answering that?


What paradox?
:hilarity: Your bible one. The one you created. Such a short memory, Pahu?


Why do you believe I created the Bible?
Truth frees! Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#843 Postby Alan H » December 7th, 2017, 10:16 pm

Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:
Pahu wrote:
What paradox?
:hilarity: Your bible one. The one you created. Such a short memory, Pahu?


Why do you believe I created the Bible?
Goodness. Where did you get that from? It was the paradox you created...
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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#844 Postby Tetenterre » December 8th, 2017, 11:46 am

Pahu wrote:
Tetenterre wrote:Pahu, please explain how an opinion piece (Brian Thomas's) written in 2009 addresses findings that were made in 2016/17.


http://www.icr.org/article/darwins-finc ... igenetics/

OK, Pahu, so you cannot explain how Thomas's 2009 opinion piece addresses findings that were made in 2016/17, but all you've managed to do is shift the temporal problem from 2009 to 2014 by citing Tomkins's opinion piece. Or are we invited to believe that both Thomas and Tomkins had access to the Delorean with OUTATIME license plate? :laughter:
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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#845 Postby Pahu » December 13th, 2017, 3:14 pm

[quote author=Pahu link=topic=49433.msg1699447#msg1699447 date=1513177894]
Ape-Men? 3

You can't even copy and paste properly! Unnecessary text deleted by Admin

[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown]
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Truth frees! Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#846 Postby animist » December 13th, 2017, 3:25 pm

Pahu wrote:[quote author=Pahu link=topic=49433.msg1699447#msg1699447 date=1513177894]
Ape-Men? 3



Forty years after he discovered Java “man,” Eugene Dubois conceded that it was not a man, but was similar to a large gibbon (an ape). In citing evidence to support this new conclusion, Dubois admitted that he had withheld parts of four other thighbones of apes found in the same area (i).

Many experts consider the skulls of Peking “man” to be the remains of apes that were systematically decapitated and exploited for food by true man (j).  Its classification, Homo erectus, is considered by most experts to be a category that should never have been created (k).

i. Java man consisted of two bones found about 39 feet apart: a skullcap and femur (thighbone). Rudolf Virchow, the famous German pathologist, believed that the femur was from a gibbon. By concurring, Dubois supported his own non-Darwinian theory of evolution—a theory too complex and strange to discuss here.

Whether or not the bones were from a large-brained gibbon, a hominid, another animal, or two completely different animals is not the only issue. This episode shows how easily the person who knew the bones best could shift his interpretation from Java “man” to Java “gibbon.” Even after more finds were made at other sites in Java, the total evidence was so fragmentary that many interpretations were possible.
[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown]
yes, many interpretations are possible of fossil evidence, agreed; what most science is about is interpreting data and conducting experiments, or doing more research in other ways, in order to get more data and thus improve interpretation of the available data. So what point are you making? And, to repeat, what about Homo habilis?

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#847 Postby Alan H » December 13th, 2017, 6:36 pm

Your bible paradox, Pahu?
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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#848 Postby Pahu » December 13th, 2017, 8:35 pm

animist wrote:
Pahu wrote:[quote author=Pahu link=topic=49433.msg1699447#msg1699447 date=1513177894]
Ape-Men? 3

Unnecessary copy and pasted text deleted by Admin

http://www.icr.org/article/startling-di ... -creation/
Truth frees! Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#849 Postby Pahu » December 13th, 2017, 8:36 pm

Alan H wrote:Your bible paradox, Pahu?



What paradox?
Truth frees! Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#850 Postby Alan H » December 13th, 2017, 9:24 pm

Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:Your bible paradox, Pahu?



What paradox?

You're hilarious, Pahu. Really hilarious! Why don't you you look back at our conversation about the bible and see if you can discern what mistake you've made. Look at what you've claimed for your book then what else you've admitted about it and see if you can spot your discrepancy. Please come back and let me know if you spot it.
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2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#851 Postby Pahu » December 14th, 2017, 6:45 pm

Alan H wrote:
Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:Your bible paradox, Pahu?



What paradox?

You're hilarious, Pahu. Really hilarious! Why don't you you look back at our conversation about the bible and see if you can discern what mistake you've made. Look at what you've claimed for your book then what else you've admitted about it and see if you can spot your discrepancy. Please come back and let me know if you spot it.


Bible Accuracy


1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_rocks_cry_out.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bi ... cal-record

2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scienti ... bible.html
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:

http://www.100prophecies.com/
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible ... filled.htm
http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophe ... lity-bible
http://www.allabouttruth.org/Bible-Prophecy.htm

No other book, religious or secular, comes close to those requirements.
Truth frees! Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#852 Postby Alan H » December 14th, 2017, 10:10 pm

Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:
Pahu wrote:

What paradox?

You're hilarious, Pahu. Really hilarious! Why don't you you look back at our conversation about the bible and see if you can discern what mistake you've made. Look at what you've claimed for your book then what else you've admitted about it and see if you can spot your discrepancy. Please come back and let me know if you spot it.


Bible Accuracy


1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_rocks_cry_out.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bi ... cal-record

2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scienti ... bible.html
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:

http://www.100prophecies.com/
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible ... filled.htm
http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophe ... lity-bible
http://www.allabouttruth.org/Bible-Prophecy.htm

No other book, religious or secular, comes close to those requirements.
Hilarious! Do you not understand logic, evidence and argumentation?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#853 Postby Pahu » December 15th, 2017, 8:33 pm

Alan H wrote:
Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:You're hilarious, Pahu. Really hilarious! Why don't you you look back at our conversation about the bible and see if you can discern what mistake you've made. Look at what you've claimed for your book then what else you've admitted about it and see if you can spot your discrepancy. Please come back and let me know if you spot it.


Bible Accuracy


1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_rocks_cry_out.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bi ... cal-record

2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scienti ... bible.html
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:

http://www.100prophecies.com/
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible ... filled.htm
http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophe ... lity-bible
http://www.allabouttruth.org/Bible-Prophecy.htm

No other book, religious or secular, comes close to those requirements.
Hilarious! Do you not understand logic, evidence and argumentation?


Yes. Don't you?
Truth frees! Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#854 Postby Alan H » December 15th, 2017, 8:48 pm

Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:
Pahu wrote:
Bible Accuracy


1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_rocks_cry_out.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bi ... cal-record

2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scienti ... bible.html
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:

http://www.100prophecies.com/
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible ... filled.htm
http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophe ... lity-bible
http://www.allabouttruth.org/Bible-Prophecy.htm

No other book, religious or secular, comes close to those requirements.
Hilarious! Do you not understand logic, evidence and argumentation?


Yes. Don't you?
You demonstrably don't. Would you like me to try to educate you in your errors and failures? I expect it to be a difficult task.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#855 Postby Pahu » December 15th, 2017, 8:56 pm

Alan H wrote:
Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:Hilarious! Do you not understand logic, evidence and argumentation?


Yes. Don't you?
You demonstrably don't. Would you like me to try to educate you in your errors and failures? I expect it to be a difficult task.


Feel free.
Truth frees! Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#856 Postby Alan H » December 15th, 2017, 10:06 pm

Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:
Pahu wrote:
Yes. Don't you?
You demonstrably don't. Would you like me to try to educate you in your errors and failures? I expect it to be a difficult task.


Feel free.
You have some work to do here, Pahu. Look back through your posts and dig out the one where you said your bible - and all others (regardless of language, books contained, etc - were 100% accurate. Then your post that said it was 98.5% 'textually pure' and where you admitted 1.5% was 'in question'. Run along now and let me know when you've done that - remember to post your words here.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#857 Postby Lord Muck oGentry » December 16th, 2017, 1:10 am




Look at this little beauty from the links above:

Atoms:
Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of things that we cannot see - tiny invisible particles called atoms, made up of electrons and protons, which are really not solids, but positive and negative charges of electricity. Considering that he lived about two centuries ago, it is extremely doubtful that the author of the books of Hebrews specifically understood the subject, yet he accurately wrote about atomic structure - nearly 2000 years before it was discovered by scientists.


two centuries? But let that go...
The author of Hebrews was a Roman citizen and, we must suppose, a man of some education as it was understood in his day. If we are going to attribute a foreshadowing of atomism to him, the credit really ought to go to thinkers who lived several centuries before he did.

http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_ ... ml#History

As for the accurately fulfilled prophecies: I can do better without breaking sweat. Nostradamus's hardest quatrain has yielded to my powers.

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#858 Postby Pahu » December 16th, 2017, 6:25 pm

Alan H wrote:
Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:You demonstrably don't. Would you like me to try to educate you in your errors and failures? I expect it to be a difficult task.


Feel free.
You have some work to do here, Pahu. Look back through your posts and dig out the one where you said your bible - and all others (regardless of language, books contained, etc - were 100% accurate. Then your post that said it was 98.5% 'textually pure' and where you admitted 1.5% was 'in question'. Run along now and let me know when you've done that - remember to post your words here.


Yes, that is what I said based on Bible scholarship. I also explained why the 1.5%. So what is your problem?
Truth frees! Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#859 Postby Pahu » December 16th, 2017, 6:35 pm

Lord Muck oGentry wrote:



Look at this little beauty from the links above:

Atoms:
Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of things that we cannot see - tiny invisible particles called atoms, made up of electrons and protons, which are really not solids, but positive and negative charges of electricity. Considering that he lived about two centuries ago, it is extremely doubtful that the author of the books of Hebrews specifically understood the subject, yet he accurately wrote about atomic structure - nearly 2000 years before it was discovered by scientists.


two centuries? But let that go...
The author of Hebrews was a Roman citizen and, we must suppose, a man of some education as it was understood in his day. If we are going to attribute a foreshadowing of atomism to him, the credit really ought to go to thinkers who lived several centuries before he did.

http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_ ... ml#History


Did you consider the other science in that link?

As for the accurately fulfilled prophecies: I can do better without breaking sweat. Nostradamus's hardest quatrain has yielded to my powers.

Spoiler:
Don't touch Betamax!


So you are able to predict the future better than God!? Consider this:

Tyre (E/274-80)

Ezekiel 26 (592-570 B.C.)

Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring up many nations against you, as the sea brings up its waves. "And they will destroy the walls of Tyre and break down her towers; and I will scrape her debris from her and make her a bare rock"(verses 3,4 ).

For thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will bring upon Tyre from the north Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses, chariots, cavalry, and a great army. He will slay your daughters on the mainland with the sword; and he will make siege walls against you, cast up a mound against you, and raise up a large shield against you (verses 7,8 ).

"Also they will make a spoil of your riches and a prey of your merchandise, break down your walls and destroy your pleasant houses, and throw your stones and your timbers and your debris into the water (verse 12 ).

"And I will make you a bare rock; you will be a place for the spreading of nets. You will be built no more, for I the LORD have spoken, "declares the Lord GOD (verse 14 ).

"I shall bring terrors on you, and you will be no more; though you will be sought, you will never be found again,"declares the Lord GOD (verse 21 ).

Predictions

1. Nebuchadnezzar will destroy the mainland city of Tyre (26:8 ).

2. Many nations will come against Tyre (26:3 ).

3. She will be made a bare rock; flat like the top of a rock (26:4 ).

4. Fishermen will spread nets over the site (26:5 ).

5. The debris will be thrown into the water (26:12 ).

6. She will never be rebuilt (26:14 ).

7. She will never be found again (26:21 ).

NEBUCHADNEZZAR

Nevuchadnezzar laid siege to mainland Tyre three years after the prophecy. The Encylopedia Britannica says: "After a 13-year siege (585-573 B.C.) by Nebuchadnezzar II, Tyre made terms and acknowledged Babylonians suzerainty." 43/xxii 452

When Nebuchadnezzar broke the gates down, he found the city almost empty. The majority of the people had moved by ship to an island about one-half mile off the coast and fortified a city there. The mainland city was destroyed in 573 (prediction #1), but the city of Tyre on the island remained a powerful city for several hundred years.

ALEXANDER THE GREAT

The next incident was with Alexander the Great.

"In his war on the Persians," writes the Encyclopaedia Britannica, "Alezander III, after defeating Darius III at the Battle of Issus (333), marched southward toward Egypt, calling upon the Phoenician cities to open their gates, as it was part of his general plan to deny their use to the Persian fleet. The citizens of Tyre refused to do so, and Alexander laid siege to the city, Possessing no fleet, he demolished old Tyre, on the mainland, and with the debris built a mole 200 ft. (60m.) wide acriss the straits separating the old and new towns, erecting towers and war engines at the farther end. 43/xxii 452 (Prediction #5).

The Tyrians countered here with a full-scale raid on the whole operation, which was very successful; they made use of fireships to start the towers burning and then swarmed over the mole after the Greeks were routed. General destruction of the mole was made to as great an extent as the raiding party was capable. Arrian progressed to the sea struggle. Alexander realized he needed ships. He began pressuring and mustering conquered subjects to make ships available for this operation. Alexander's navy grew from cities and areas as follows: Sidon, Aradus, Byblus (these contributed about 80 sails), 10 from Rhodes, 3 from Soli and Mallos, 10 from Lycia, a big one from Macedon, and 120 from Cyprus. (Prediction #2.)

With this now superior naval force at Alexander's disposal, the conquest of Tyre through completion of the land bridge was simply a question of time. How long would this take? Darius III, Alexander's Persian enemy, was not standing idle at this time, but finally the causeway was completed, the walls were battered down, and mop-up operations began.

"The causeway still remains," writes Philip Myers, "uniting the rock with the mainland. When at last the city was taken after a siege of seven months, eight thousand of the inhabitants were slain and thirty thousand sold into slavery." 99/153

Philip Myers made an interesting observation here; he is a secular historian (not a theologian), and this is found in a history textbook:

Alexander the Great...reduced [Tyre] to runs (332 B.C.). She recovered in a measure from this blow, but never regained the place she had previously held in the world. The larger part of the site of the once great city is now bare as the top of a rock [prediction #3]-a place where the fisherman that still frequent the spot spread their nets to dry. 99/55 (Prediction #4.)

John C. Beck keeps the history of the island city of Tyre in the proper perspective:

The history of Tyre does not stop after the conquest of Alexander. Men continue to rebuild her and armies continue to besiege her walls until finally, after sixteen hundred years, she falls never to be rebuilt again. 21/41


http://www.godrules.net/articles/tyreprophecy.htm
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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#860 Postby Alan H » December 16th, 2017, 9:43 pm

Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:
Pahu wrote:
Feel free.
You have some work to do here, Pahu. Look back through your posts and dig out the one where you said your bible - and all others (regardless of language, books contained, etc - were 100% accurate. Then your post that said it was 98.5% 'textually pure' and where you admitted 1.5% was 'in question'. Run along now and let me know when you've done that - remember to post your words here.


Yes, that is what I said based on Bible scholarship. I also explained why the 1.5%. So what is your problem?
Please do as I ask. And you have not explained the 1.5% nor proved your other claims about your bible. Until you do, we can take anything you quote from it as worthless.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Science Disproves Evolution

#861 Postby Pahu » December 17th, 2017, 6:50 pm

Alan H wrote:
Pahu wrote:
Alan H wrote:You have some work to do here, Pahu. Look back through your posts and dig out the one where you said your bible - and all others (regardless of language, books contained, etc - were 100% accurate. Then your post that said it was 98.5% 'textually pure' and where you admitted 1.5% was 'in question'. Run along now and let me know when you've done that - remember to post your words here.


Yes, that is what I said based on Bible scholarship. I also explained why the 1.5%. So what is your problem?
Please do as I ask. And you have not explained the 1.5% nor proved your other claims about your bible. Until you do, we can take anything you quote from it as worthless.


You must have missed the following:

The Bible consists of 66 books: 39 in the OT and 27 in the new. The Bible took about 1600 years to write. It was written in three languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek) by about 40 authors and is internally consistent throughout.

The Bible is 98½ percent textually pure. Through all the copying of the Biblical manuscripts of the entire Bible, only 1½% has any question about it. Nothing in all of the ancient writings of the entire world approaches the accuracy of the biblical documents.

The 1½ percent that is in question does not affect doctrine. The areas of interest are called variants and they consist mainly in variations of wording and spelling.

The NT has over 5000 supporting Greek manuscripts existing today with another 20,000 manuscripts in other languages. Some of the manuscript evidence dates to within 100 years of the original writing. There is less than a 1% textual variation in the NT manuscripts.

Some of the supporting manuscripts of the NT are:

John Rylands MS written around A.D. 130, the oldest existing fragment of the gospel of John.
Bodmer Papyrus II (A.D. 150-200) .
Chester Beatty Papyri (A.D. 200), contains major portions of the NT .
Codex Vaticanus (A.D. 325-350), contains nearly all the Bible.
Codex Sinaiticus (A.D. 350), contains almost all the NT and over half of the OT .

http://www.bibletimelines.net/article/3 ... -the-bible
http://www.godrules.net/articles/christiandoctrine.htm
http://onegodonegospel.org/texts/Bible% ... 20True.pdf
http://www.theoldtimegospel.org/apologe ... etics.html
http://www.theoldtimegospel.org/apologe ... index.html

Your attempt to discredit the Word of God is pathetic!
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