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The Nightingale Collaboration

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Alan H
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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#401 Postby Alan H » April 7th, 2016, 11:28 am

Latest post of the previous page:

Dave B wrote::thumbsup:

Nice, simple, explicit grahics.

Might be interested enough to graph the increasing cost of homeopathetic stuff against inflation. Would that be an indicator of increasing fat cattery I wonder?

I didn't publish this and it's not adjusted for inflation, but it shows the rising costs in recent years - presumably the costs rose to offset the reduced sales volumes, but it's fallen back again a bit last year:

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#402 Postby Alan H » August 29th, 2016, 3:07 pm

NHS homeopathy in Scotland - on a shoogly peg

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#403 Postby Zeff » August 30th, 2016, 2:08 pm

http://goodthinkingsociety.org/projects/nhs-homeopathy-legal-challenge/nhs-homeopathy-spending/
At least spending on homeopathy seems to be declining and there now seems to be some talk that it should be virtaully discarded by the NHS.

You can fool some of the people, some of the time....!

There's also this at the Beatson/Gartnaval site in Glasgow....
http://www.nhsggc.org.uk/patients-and-visitors/main-hospital-sites/gartnavel-campus/nhs-centre-for-integrative-care/nhs-centre-for-integrative-care-therapies/
Quote: Homeopathy is a very gentle system of medicine, that has been used safely and without side effects worldwide for more than 200 years. It uses dilute versions of substances taken from the natural world. A Homeopathic Practitioner will take a very detailed history, paying close attention to what is unique about the patient, the origin and particular symptoms of their problem and the impact the difficulty is having on their life. This information is used to match - like treating like - the pattern of the disturbance in the person, with the specific symptoms of one of over 3000 remedies. In this way, the remedy acts a little like an instruction manual in the patient’s unique language, helping to activate the healing potential, allowing the person to gently bring themselves back to health. For more information.... Unquote.

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#404 Postby Alan H » September 29th, 2016, 8:39 pm

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#405 Postby Alan H » November 22nd, 2016, 10:34 pm

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#406 Postby Alan H » December 2nd, 2016, 6:38 pm

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#407 Postby Alan H » March 30th, 2017, 4:42 pm

NHS Homeopathy: 20 years of decline


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2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#408 Postby Alan H » May 7th, 2017, 3:15 pm

The European Skeptics Podcast: Episode #072, feat. Alan Henness
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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#409 Postby animist » May 8th, 2017, 10:15 am

Alan H wrote:NHS Homeopathy: 20 years of decline


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that is good news! To what do you attribute it? Apart from your own sterling efforts of course :D

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#410 Postby Alan H » May 8th, 2017, 10:43 am

animist wrote:
Alan H wrote:NHS Homeopathy: 20 years of decline


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that is good news! To what do you attribute it? Apart from your own sterling efforts of course :D
I don't think we can claim any particular credit for this, but it's probably part of the general skepticism of homeopathy and the inroads evidence-based medicine is making over the last couple of decades. Tory pressure on funding may well have forced hospitals and CCGs to look more closely at what they fund.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#411 Postby Tetenterre » May 8th, 2017, 2:49 pm

Alan H wrote:The European Skeptics Podcast: Episode #072, feat. Alan Henness
You came over very well. Here is the post on Quackometer that you referred to: Escaping the Cult of Homeopathy

Just to add: what you highlighted as being possible with ASA has much wider application. I spent a couple of months tackling claims made by touts of budget astronomical equipment. A consequence is that there's a lot fewer outrageous claims of what is possible with them, so thanks for that.

Also: Fishbarrel
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Quantum Theory: The branch of science with which people who know absolutely sod all about quantum theory can explain anything.

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#412 Postby Alan H » May 8th, 2017, 2:57 pm

Thanks!

I did remember Wendy's name afterwards, but it escaped me at the time.
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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#413 Postby Alan H » June 30th, 2017, 3:17 pm

Just submitted our response to the Enfield CCG consultation on homeopathy and Iscador treatments. 34 pages and 84 references.
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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#414 Postby Alan H » August 10th, 2017, 9:33 pm

The end of homeopathy on the NHS in Bristol?
Bristol, North Somerset and South Gloucestershire Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs) are consulting on their proposal to decommission all NHS-funded homeopathy.

After the Bristol Homeopathic Hospital closed in January 2013, homeopathy continued to be provided by a small clinic at the South Bristol Community Hospital. Just three years later, in October 2015, this too closed to be replaced by a private clinic, the Portland Centre for Integrative Medicine. That is not part of the NHS but is contracted by the CCGs to provide homeopathy services.

Now the group of CCGs wants to end all homeopathy referrals to that clinic.

The consultation consists essentially of just two simple questions:
  • Do you understand the reasons for our proposal to stop NHS funding for homeopathy treatment? Yes|No
  • Do you agree or disagree with our proposal to cease NHS funding for homeopathy? Agree|Disagree

…with the opportunity to explain your answers and provide further information.

The consultation closes next Tuesday, 15 August 2017 so plenty of time to submit your response, but don't leave it too late!

Homeopaths and their trade bodies (including the Faculty of Homeopathy and the British Homeopathic Association) have been urging their members to respond: we know decisions should not be made on the popularity of a treatment but on the best evidence, but the more the CCGs hear about the evidence-based position, the easier it will be for them to make the right decision.

We will be submitting our own comprehensive response to the CCGs and we will publish it later in the year. It is based on our previous responses to other CCGs and in their report to the Wirral CCG, NHS Midlands and Lancashire Commissioning Support Unit said of our submission:

However, we would direct the Clinical Commissioning Group to pay close attention to a number of key evidence summaries, including that of the House of Commons’ Science and Technology Select Committee; the Australian Government’s National Health and Medical Research Council’s comprehensive review from earlier this year; and the submission to this Clinical Commissioning Group made by the Nightingale Collaboration – whose analysis of studies for and against homeopathy, as well as responses to common criticisms of each study, we find to be wholly informative.

We see that as quite an endorsement of the work we put into our response!

There is another consultation running at the moment, this time by NHS England that would effectively blacklist homeopathy, but that doesn't close until October so we'll leave that for another time.

It'll only take you a minute to respond to this consultation: why not do it right now?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#415 Postby Alan H » December 11th, 2017, 9:59 pm

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1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#416 Postby Alan H » February 23rd, 2018, 9:54 pm

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#417 Postby Alan H » February 26th, 2018, 8:29 pm

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: The Nightingale Collaboration

#418 Postby Alan H » March 30th, 2018, 12:00 am

Homeopathy prescriptions on the NHS in England fell by another 25% in 2017 and are down 91% in the UK since 2000.

Yet another bad year for homeopathy

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?


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